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Crytek exec backs next-gen 'pre-owned block'

Crytek exec backs next-gen 'pre-owned block'

Restricting sales of second-hand games 'would be awesome from a business perspective'

A lead developer at Crytek has publicly supported the concept of console manufacturers blocking access to second-hand games.

Rasmus Højengaard, the Swedish director of creative development at Crytek, said “from a business perspective that would be absolutely awesome” if a next-generation Nintendo, Microsoft or Sony console restricted access to games bought pre-owned.

“It's weird that [second-hand sales] are still allowed because it doesn't work like that in any other software industries, so it would be great if they could somehow fix that issue as well,” Højengaard (pictured) told CVG.

Amid a craze of speculation regarding PlayStation 4 (codenamed Orbis) and Xbox 720 (codenamed Durango), it has been rumoured that Sony and Microsoft are both considering technologies that will reject pre-owed discs.

Neither Microsoft nor Sony has confirmed any details regarding their next generation systems.

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Retail giant GameStop recently claimed it is unlikely that anti-pre-owned technology would exist wthin the next generation Xbox.

Many developers and publishers routinely lament the effect that second-hand game purchasing has on revenues. Money generated from pre-owned game sales go exclusively to the retailer.

Blitz Games Studios co-founder Andrew Oliver previously claimed that the pre-owned business is “worse than piracy”.

My view

posted by Katan13 Apr 25, 2012 at 11:42 am
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Katan13

If they do go through with the whole blocking pre-owned on the next gen i won't be getting any of the consoles and will go back to nice and open pc gaming.

And I've been playing since i was 7 (now much older)

Getting pretty sick on the direction companies are going these days, all about the money, whatever happened to making games which make people happy. Now it's just re-hash after re-hash with the odd nugget of gold now and again.

It might even get to the point where i just stop playing all together.

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We really need to move past this!

posted by Jonny Apr 25, 2012 at 3:51 pm
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Jonny

I love how games execs are happy to jump on the "video-games-are-just-like-movies" bandwagon when it suits them, but are equally happy to claim videogames are "software" with serial numbers when it comes to issues like resale. DVDs can be resold, so why not games? If it's good, people will keep it.

If publishers of disc-based games really want to reduce this problem (granted it is a problem for them), they should look at adding value through online interactions like personalisation, not through artificial constructs which will be circumvented. Didn't we just witness the death of the music industry as we knew it through these same attempts to control, instead of moving forward and accepting that physical media was an artificial barrier. See Spotify and itunes.

Surely in games we are moving past discs to subscription models like Steam? Any attempt to introduce this blocking technology will be the final nail in the coffin of physical media games. And if it is 'software' and not 'entertainment' then look to what companies like Adobe are doing in superceding their traditional serial-based model of software sale with a cloud-based monthly subscription approach.

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Another self-induced video game crash is coming...

posted by Mystakill Apr 25, 2012 at 4:31 pm
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...if the next generation consoles feature these purported content locks. I've already drastically scaled back on console-based purchases due to the over-monetization initiatives being foisted on consumers during this generation. Content locks would ensure that I, and many others based on comments around the 'net, would bail on the console market altogether.

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That's confusing...

posted by IchII3D Apr 25, 2012 at 5:05 pm
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IchII3D

I don't understand that opinion Katan13 considering the pre-owned market has being dead for PC for around two or three years?

In fact there was never really a pre-owned PC market to begin with...

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ah but

posted by katan13 Apr 25, 2012 at 5:55 pm
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katan13

What i mean is, at least with pc gaming you can get fairly cheap digital only games through steam. I'd like to think that MS and sony would provide digital only content at a reduced price, but as i've seen already via xbl and psn, they really really don't and will not going forward.

For example transformers: war for cybatron (i know it's spelt wrong), fairly old game, should be a reasonable price of xbl right? Nope, still at £40 full price. It's the same for most games on there except the crap ones. Same with psn, i hear vita games are cheaper to by in shop than to download, how does that work?? You pay less for a physical copy and you can re-sell it, than digital, where it's costing about 10% more, with no re-sale value,again, how does that work?? Less costs on producing the physical media, box, instruction booklet etc and yet they charge you more???

This is why over the past 6 months my faith in consoles has plummted. The only company i think might stay true to the customer is Nintendo, and even they may go down that route over time.

Games cost more to download than to buy physical? Good evening Sandiago, go f**k yourself! (it'll make sense to some)

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PC Market is Different

posted by Justin French Apr 25, 2012 at 6:01 pm
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Justin French

I believe the ability to re-sell console games is only fair, once you've completed the title and you've had enough of the multiplayer what else is there to do with it?

The reason that consumers don't complain about the inability to re-sell PC games is that often the lifespan of them is greatly extended through the modding community, allowing for a game to last many more hours than its Console counterpart.

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Less sales

posted by FF22 Apr 25, 2012 at 7:38 pm
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FF22

Mr. Højengaard is obviously a very bad businessman who doesn't understand even basic economics. If people will be unable to sell their "used" games they will have less money to buy new games. Not only that, but if they won't be able to sell games (at a minimal loss) they're not satisfied with, they will think not only twice, but ten times before they buy a new game. That all will result in even less sales of new games than today. Therefore it's pretty obvious that prohibiting sales of used games is contraproductive and will result not in better, but worser sales numbers.

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prepared has advantage

posted by Kenneth Apr 25, 2012 at 8:59 pm
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Kenneth

Sometimes, you cannot find a game you are looking for. The game may not have been mainstream enough, and no longer available new. You finally come across it used...you are happy. I can understand the need for companies to make money, but when they no longer make a product, second hand is the best route.

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Katan13

posted by This happened Apr 25, 2012 at 10:51 pm
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This happened

You ask "whatever happened to making games which make people happy. Now it's just re-hash after re-hash with the odd nugget of gold now and again."

Those companies that did those games went bankrupt and closed down.

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Digital Distro

posted by Doxxi Apr 25, 2012 at 10:59 pm
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Doxxi

This will be a non-point with the next gen of consoles as digital distro and cloud storage becomes more prevalent in that space. Physical media needs to die and PC gaming was the pre-cursor to the consoles following suit.

The bigger issue is that PC's are all about options. Consoles are all about being spoon fed a single flavor (Although Sony has made some interesting moves in recent years to expand that).

Lets be honest here. Who wants to go to a store nowadays and pick up games or wait for your internet order to arrive by mail? That's right - People who are holding on to the past. Get over it. Change is coming whether we like it or not.

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Idiots

posted by J1mmy Zer0 Apr 25, 2012 at 11:34 pm
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J1mmy Zer0

Do these morons really believe every person who will only pay £5-£10 for their games second hand will suddenly go out and pay £40-£50. Nope. This kind of business model only works when you've got a monopoly like Microsoft used to have....not looking so good for Billy Gates and his boys long term now is it?
This policy will kill the console games market, it really will and the fact that executives in the games industry don't know it is quite a reflection on the type of people currently in those positions. Please see the subject of this post for further clarification.

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Honestly?

posted by Adam Apr 25, 2012 at 11:56 pm
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Adam

Justin French raises a good point. Console games are not like pc games. There are no effective mechanisms for truly modding console-based games. Microsoft was rumored to be working on modding support with Bethesda for Skyrim, but it would appear that apart the occasional DLC, it is not possible?

Any company that goes along with this move surely does not deserve my dollar vote. I hope the majority of the gaming community feels the same way.

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Not proper

posted by Cathy Apr 27, 2012 at 2:49 pm
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Cathy

Look guys priacy or pre owned either way it would not have been a sale for you anyway. If someone can't pay they simply won't your not loosing money at all as theres no sale to be lost in the first place.

If you want sales you have to reduce the price over time & offer specials to attract people on lower budgets to buy your game.

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Pre-Owned Games

posted by Icemanchillled Apr 28, 2012 at 10:17 am
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Icemanchillled

Crytek should stick to making games and not comment on subjects they obviously don't understand. Think about this Crytek, when a gamer sells some of his old games or part exchanges them, what do you think happens to that money? I'll tell you, 9 times out of ten, it goes toward buying a new game, quite often this is the only way some people can afford to buy new games. Blocking pre-owned games will hurt sales, not improve them.

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Price drop then?

posted by Jason W May 21, 2012 at 1:15 pm
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Jason W

I guess we can expect a major price drop once all avenues of obtaining games cheaper than the "brand new" price have vanished. Because the prices no longer need to be inflated to cover those "missed sales".

Otherwise, people will think twice about buying console games if they cannot resell them. If they spend £40-50 and don't like the game, they are stuck with it. I doubt people will want to take the gamble too many times.

I think you're estimating how much money people have in their pockets!

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