It should also be noted that many IGDA members feel that Tim's actions are inappropriate for a board member of the IGDA and a petition to call a special meeting to vote on his removal from the board under section 8 of the bylaws has been started.
Corvus Elrods site holes the reasons and links to the petition, please google +Corvus+Petition.
I urge all IGDA members to visit and read the case for the petition and sign it, yes or no as they choose after reading he details of Tim's behaviour.

It's unbelievable someone can lay claim to a common word like 'edge' in this way. In any case Langdell's publishing operation of that name has been inactive since the 80s (despite what his weird shell website might have you believe).

So... does this mean can I copyright the word 'games', then send cease and desist letters to every games developer?

Nothing surprises me with 'Dr' Tim Langdell. I worked with him and his wife Cheri in 86-87 on Fairlight, Bobby Baring and other titles from 'Edge'. What a nightmare, everything was disputed and never once did he ever want to pay a bill. Impossible bunch to work with, no wonder they went under. Total nightmare all round. Leopards don't change their spots. I wish the Chaos Engine all the very best...you deserve it.

The Chaos Engine is a forum where games developers hide behind secret identities to b#@%^& about each other. Since when have they had any real voice that influences the industry?

Go back and hide in your hole, TCE. This isn't your fight.

I thought you could only TM the visual or graphic representation of a word and not the word itself *shrugs*.

Hi Tim?

" Since when have they had any real voice that influences the industry?"

oh...I say...Since about now. Since they decided enough was enough and that Tim's actions were deplorable and needed to be stood up against.
It is indeed unusual for TCE to make any kind of stand on anything...just goes to show the pretty universal condemnation of Tim's actions.

"Dr." Langdell I presume.

Oh the irony of complaining about TCE member's anonymity when you post under a pseudonym - I shall reciprocate accordingly.

I think you're confusing Fat Babies with TCE - but then you wouldn't know about what goes on within the Forum as you're quite obviously not a member.

Langdell (you I presume) is nothing but a trademark troll trying desparately to continue eeking out little more than a has-been name for yourself based on a continuingly meritless trademark.

You should be ashamed.

The way you phrase the header it sounds as if the IGDA is the troll and that is decidedly unfair to an organization of 14K sincere game developers doing their best to support the industry. Retract immediately, please.

I disagree, Judy - I don't think it was misleading at all. Having a strapline of "...against IGDA 'trademark troll'" doesn't imply that the IGDA itself is the troll, unless you skim read it or something.
But, nevertheless, in the interests of fairness I've changed it. Thanks for your comment.

Isn't part of the trademark/copyright 'game' providing dated evidence proving your claim precedes all others? If Mobigame has documentation of their offer to use the name 'Edgy' instead of 'Edge' - documentation that is dated earlier than Langdell's application for trademark of 'Edgy', couldn't they counter-sue?

I recall asking Tim about the name of his company at a licensing seminar with speakers ranging from Bozo to Zorro (really). Dave Perry was there as well. Tim had long established his company name and said he'd worked out an arrangement with the UK game mag for it's use.

Would "APPLE" have been co-opted by two guys in Cupertino, CA without expecting some resistance from the Beatle organization. Of courese we all know where that led and, after multiple adjustments there are still 2 "Apples."

Tim has long been known to hold the rights for use of "Edge" in the interactive world and any company that didn't do a title search seems amatuerish and skating on thin ice.

I think the use of "troll" is uncalled for. This is not a deep patent issue stopping a cure for cancer...it's a freakin' game...sheeesh.

For the record, Papazian did not tell the truth about EDGY. We understood we had reached an agreement with him for him to rename the game EDGY and as part of that agreement Edge would own the mark in the US and license it to Papazian for free (we never asked for payment for this agreement). But after we filed to register EDGY Papazian then changed his mind about renaming the game and started absurdly claiming we had registered EDGY to prevent him changing the name. Given the news about Edge of Twilight today (http://bit dot ly/BsZ7o), where clearly Edge acted well even though some tried hard to persuade others Edge acted badly, there is a smear campaign going on here that is unfair. Edge acted properly and did so at all times. Apple agreed with Edge and disagreed with Papazian.

Well someone is lying thats for sure. One has to make their own judgment based on the evidence.

Apple neither believed nor disbelieved either party, they simple accepted that a legal dispute was in the air and acted accordingly.

Edge's trademark, is not in dispute, and yes MobiGames cocked up by not doing a search, but then again its not exactly uncommon to fall into these traps. New developers often fall into these traps, we should be doing our best to help and support developers not using their mistakes as a means to exploit them.

Edges "agreement" with Fuzzyeyes over Edge of Twilight, says nothing more than the fact an agreement was reached, as indeed other agreements have been from time to time.

We know that settlements are made, often to avoid the hassle of legal issues...care to detail what that agreement was? Perhaps some documentation? If Tim is willing to supply such evidence it will go a long way to silence his critics?

Check out Stephen Jacobs Expert Blog on Gamasutra and you'll see that in Papazian's post he admits that Edge offered a free license to EDGY for the US so it is clear the registration of EDGY was not to prevent a name change. It was done as part of an agreement we thought we had with Papazian that he later decided not to go ahead with. What is clearly not true is that Edge registered EDGY to "stop" Mobigames changing the name of its game as Papazian's own post to Jacob's blog proves (its not plausable anyway -- how could "EDGY" be the only possible new name he could think of?). Only later did Papazian change his story to say that Edge's registering EDGY was to stop him using the name. We have made numerous proposals to Mobigame that involve their changing the name to EDGY, all of which involved no money (we are not now nor have we ever been 'trademark trolls'), and all have been rejected by Papazian who adamently refuses to change the name of his game.

As to "Edge of Twilight", the statement proves that the allegations by the likes of Owen Good on Kotaku were unfounded and false. There was no evidence of trademark trolling. The talks were amicable despite all the attempts to suggest otherwise and paint Edge as the bad guy.

Its so obvious Langdell has no interest in small developers making there way in the world,
Mobigames will at least serve as a good reference to newer game developers to avoid anything called EDGE!

All Langdell does is try and get his name on every film, game etc. as possible without actually doing any work (other than legal).

Made me laugh he must of tried to get a credit on mirrors edge.

A very sad, sad, man.

If nothing happens with the IGDA, everyone should vote with their feet

The relevant part of Davids comments on Stephen Jacobs site were...and I am cutting an pasting without addition.

"2. he asked money, as my "colleague" confirm on TIGSource

3. Tim offered to licence the trademark for money at first, but he changes his mind so often it is hard to follow him. Sometimes you talk to Joe the agressive one, sometimes to Tim the friendly one. We offered to rename the game to EDGY for the U.S, what he refused (after that he tried to sell us a free licence for EDGY after registrating it by the way) and later we offered a free co-existence deal for Europe and the U.S, what he refused"

part 2..clearly details that someone is lying?

part 3, is a little broken due to English not being Davids mother tongue, but again I don't doubt the details.

I'm quite sure negotiations took place, and I don't doubt some "free" license was discussed, though some clauses to that free license were clearly unacceptable to MobiGames or they would have taken them.

Why on earth would you register "Edgy" the DAY after MobiGames had suggested renaming it?

What would be the need for that if you were
willing to allow them to use Edge for free???

Really...explain that to me, because I'm just not getting that bit?

No..the Eedge of Twilight statements only proves that you came to a settlement, we can't comment on anything else since we can only get your view of things and I'm sure Fuzzyeyes simply want to move forward....that is all that can be said..you reached a settlment, unless you can provide legal paperwork to detail that, it can't possibly say any more.

We know settlements are reached.....we also know sometimes they aren't, either way you registered "Edge of Twighlight" at a most opportune moment...why?

Re-read what Papazian said again. He claims we tried to ask him for money "at first" but he also confirms we tried to get him to take a FREE license to EDGY. We did NOT register EDGY in response to him proposing it as if to stop him using it (that is the lie he has tried to get people to believe), we registered it just after he agreed we would register it as part of a deal we understood we had reached with him and license it back from us at not cost. Again, every proposal we have made to Papazian for well over two months has not involved them paying anything. The only reason we filed for EDGY is because Papazian first said he agreed to us doing it then he changed his mind. Yes, perhaps the terms did not agree with him when he reflected on them. But that is totally different from the allegation that we registered EDGY just to stop him changing the game's name. That isn't true.

Read the Fuzzyeyes statement again and stop saying things like Edge filed Edge of Twilight 'at the most opportune moment.' The confirmation of amicable talks going on for months should have been sufficient for you to appreciate your theories as to what was going on were wrong.

I have read it, and as I say someone is lying, I'm not going to comment on who.

What is bizarre is that you seem to think you can ask a company to license "edge" from you, when they refuse you expect us to believe you get them to agree to a similar word, which you don't have a tm, on, and then you register that so that they can license that from you...Why??

I mean this is really odd..why would anyone do that?

And as I say..the Fuzzyeyes statement states only that an agreement has been reached..the fact they can't/won't comment further is interesting. The timing is interesting, and opportune, given that "Edge of Twilight" has been announced for some time and indeed Fuzzyeyes had their on TM on it for some time, which lapsed...just before you registered it.
...opportune as I say.

I won't be able to respond further here, I have some work to finish up, but I am very curious to know why you are responding here and not in the IGDA forums or other debate threads?

What's fucking nuts in all of this is that, Steve, you and your colleagues were trying to negotiate a deal by which you were offering to let someone licence off you something that you at first did not have the trademark/ownership for. Is that right?

Does the sheer inethical, immoral nature of that not trouble you at all?

I just wanted to pass on a quick thanks to Ed and Develop for posting this.
The comments posted have been certainly interesting to read.

@Steve I can't understand your logic what so ever. Why you have any business with Mobigame at all is something I just can't grasp. The initial discussion between yourself and them was in regards to the name of the game "Edge" and the company "Edge Games", where I presume you claim that there's a deal of confusion between the two entities, hence why there has to be some sort of legal discussion. But, there isn't is there? I mean no one gets confused between the games "King's Quest" and "Little King's Story" despite them both containing the same word, or "Gears of War" and "God of War", so why do you pretend that there is between any product containing the word "Edge" and your company, which to be honest doesn't really rank highly as far as known video game development houses.

Also why would you trademark "Edge of Twilight"? I know you don't have to answer such a question, but to an outsider it just looks plain odd when a known product called "Edge of Twilight" is fully in production at Fuzzyeyes and has already had its name spread throughout the world via news channels.

to those who believes "steve", just ask me and i can forward you all the emails about EDGY under confidentiality, and a very interesting record of a phone talk, you will see that "steve" is a liar.
this is just disgusting.

@Steve Theoretically, if Edge Games (or Tim Langell) really wants to alleviate the negative karma the indie game development world has against Edge and Tim, pleading not guilty is hardly an effective way to win over a jury who already has your execution date set. If you want to give them evidence of your innocence, you have to actually give them the evidence, not just your word for it. If things really took place as you claim, surely transcriptions or emails of all communications between Mobigame and Edge exist somewhere. Why not make them public and allow the jury to give you an educated trial?

You're right, all we have are your words against theirs. And past actions of course. Unfortunately, for Tim and Edge Games, your past actions do not favor you so well in this situation. So why is it any surprise that an indie community is going to side with the indie developer? How do you succeed? (to rephrase a good quote...) Be so innocent they can't condemn you. ...good luck with that...

"For the record, Papazian did not tell the truth about EDGY. We understood we had reached an agreement with him for him to rename the game EDGY and as part of that agreement Edge would own the mark in the US and license it to Papazian "

Steve/Tim.....be very careful when you make statements like this on a public forum, there is a record of the emails from Tim.....and guess what....they don't say this!

Now you can keep bullshitting like a kid with his hand in the cookie jar making up elaborate excuses, or you can behave like a professional and work to a resolution before Edges credibility and "Famous Trademark" are utterly destroyed.

"I think you're confusing Fat Babies with TCE - but then you wouldn't know about what goes on within the Forum as you're quite obviously not a member."

'TCE boasts 7000 members' - Yeah, of which maybe 50 are active? Like many of the members on there I chose to no longer visits the forums for the reasons laid out in my previous post.

Don't make yourself out to be bigger than you are... 50 idiots trying to rake up tension in the industry, that's all you are!

Tim's actions may have been wrong, but like I said, it's not your fight and you will not be benefiting the industry by behaving the way that you are.

the specifics are irrelevant; it is simply ridiculous that edge is bothering these small developers in the first place, regardless of whether they end up asking for money or not. The idea of trying to own a word is ridiculous. You people are pathetic.

You're right, it shouldn't be TCEs fight. It's something the IGDA should be helping with.

Can't you see just how wrong this is or perhaps you are affiliated with Tim or have some kind of beef with TCE?

Maybe there are only 50 active members but my hat is off to them for standing up to the plate.

Do you know how ridiculous you sound?
Going by your name, you say you're a Game Developer, and you're actually having a go at fellow game developers for helping out one of their own. Mobigame has had their game removed from sale, they're losing money, all because someone claims to own a word. Just look at what a trademark is. It's not a right to claim ownership of something, it's an aid to prevent people from piggybacking on your fame, something that's clearly not happening here. Mobigame haven't released the title with the idea that they're going to ride the wave of hits from Edge Games, "Edge of Twilight" wasn't named that way to scrape in some extra sales thanks to the great success of Bobby Bearing (or some other random Edge release from the 80's).

GameDeveloper you sound bitter and I can't understand why? TCE isn't all anonymous, although it has that benefit for some people. It's not looking to stay small on purpose, and its intentions are simple: A place where individual game developers can come together to converse, about work, about issues, about the gaming world. Why that's a bad thing I don't know.

... because you have no moral right to profit from anybody else's game with the word 'edge' somewhere in the title, because you have not conducted any legitimate business with any 'edge' connection since the 80s - despite you spinning like crazy to give the impression you have.

Oh imagine if Atari had gone after Edge for bobby bearing for copying marble madness :)

You are probably associated with Tim Langdell - if not the man himself - and your posts make no sense to anyone.

Having a go at TCE - and you're wrong about 50 active members incidentally + several of us are not anonymous (visit my site, I'm not anon) - is simply to ignore the issue.

There is now an abundance of evidence about the way Tim and his company behaves. Are Edge Games going to start throwing lawyers at TIGSource, Develop [comments] and the IGDA [forums] next? Now that's their (your) right and honest developers like us can't do much about it.

Or can we? Well, actually we can and it's about time we did. At the very least we can make a stand and defend our fellow developers.

"This is not our fight" - no, it IS our fight when we are other developers who could find ourselves on the end of trademark or patent trolls. It should be the IGDA's fight but oh, wait, for some reason that won't happen. I wonder what that reason is...

Stories about the way people like Tim have been allowed to operate are abundant in our industry and it's about time developers got together and refused to co-operate or work with such people.

As for registering Edgy - I'm sorry, but how on earth does that work? It wasn't Edge Game's trademark so it wasn't yours to agree. There was no discussion to have. They were not, at any point, trading on your name nor was there ever any confusion.

This is quite clearly trademark trolling as previous 'Edge' cases indicate. The trademark is used for trolling purposes - game buyers don't know Edge games at all and nor did many in the industry until this blew up. Going for a small indie in such cases is completely immoral - not illegal I should add - and someone doing that has no place on the IGDA board.

Please close the door behind you and don't forget your toys.

I guess a well know magazine called "Edge" only has the trademark to use Edge in print media and this is all about the trademark for use of the wordmark in games and programs etc. Still I don't hear Future Publishing challenging this, whereas I would still think their challenge would be strong!! I think that this is a money grab gone wrong and it needs a big man to step back and start to rebuild his name (hey Tim, can you?) This is not too important given the vast amount of business around in our industry now, but what is happening is companies like mine, who sell these games is we get to see some unpleasant side of certain characters within the development side of the industry; certain people who "should" be pleased for others success and the industry abilities. However what I see is a greed from a company who wants to bludgeon a smaller companies hard work. Pull back, say sorry and shake hands......

Well it's obvious where my opinion lies, especially after reading all these posts and counter posts!!!

I note that the chaos engine website is now (saturday 25jul2009) down with a "database error" - coincidence or did they annoy someone recently?

I believe it is down due to maintenance work on the server. Nothing sinister.

They are renaming themselves 'The Chaos Edge-in' to really upset Landell.

Steve, since you are so familiarly involved with Edge, and you're as innocent as a chubby cheeked angel, explain to me three things.

1) Mirrors(a game by) Edge!

2) RACERS! For every system imaginable with a crappy modeled future car in the blank, then after you look at that on edgegames go to www. edgeracers .com and let me know the similarities.

3) On another website discussion, TIGsource I believe, I pointed out that "Mythora", one of your games in development for "Over 5 years", was vaporware, and didn't exist, but yet was still in EDGEs released games list, the Mythora "teaser" if you can call it one, added a hastily photoshopped 2 under it, not even in the same damned font.

Why are there all these clearly shady actions on your official website? Answer these ones Steve, because they're still unanswered.

Oh dear… Tim is still at it! He has been doing this for years.

The Tim Langdell Troll Guide

1.Find’s potential trademark infringement using ‘EDGE’ or ‘Masters of the Game’
2. Makes up some IP with similar name to entice the developer/publisher to take proceedings or use as evidence including some made up screen shots/logo’s or mock ups probably done by students
3.Even makes up merchandise as part of the evidence because it’s cheap to make and is hard to prove in court when it was conceived, not sure this has worked for him as yet?
4.Uses hand drawn scribble documents as evidence and hand dates it if it looks like it may go to court
5.Threatens legal action knowing full well most will settle out of court apart from a few bigger publishers which challenged him and won!
6.Makes agreements with them to settle out of court using his ‘EDGE’ license so then he can plagiarism them and adds their product to his website and claims he invented or worked with them to create the IP.
7.Updates his website with his new additional ‘EDGE’ brand
8.Builds his empire from the hard work of others staking claim to it!
9.Why pay when you can get it for free!

Whilst I was working at the Edge they did not create any hardware devices we only developed software.

Whilst the Edge/Softek international was a publisher I don’t think they owned the rights to many of the games Tim Langdell is claiming, it has been mentioned that ‘Edge’ do not own the rights to Bobby Bearing and I bleave this may be the case with many of the titles.

The reason the back catalogue has many titles, these were part of a budget range called ‘The Micro Selection’ again I think these were licensed and he is claiming them as ‘Edge’ owned IP. The only way we will know is if the developers of these titles are still around as the original publishers such as Anco are long gone.

The Edge also claim it used to be a distributor of ‘Sega’ hardware, the only distribution deal I know of was the one Sega had with Ariolasoft, they were in Covent Garden in fact around the corner from the offices in Southampton Street could this be another exaggerated fact concocted by Tim Langdell?

I am also lead to believe when ‘EDGE’ moved to the states, developers were not the only people that lost out on what he owed them…

I don't understand what it is with this guy. Why not stop chasing names, start making some games again and try and sell the games, rather than pulling revenue from lawsuits. I also don't understand how, simply because he has some "edge" related words trademarked in one country and some in another, how he can bully someone who owns the trademark to "edge" in France. Why is Apple bowing down to this? Why can't they say, "Well, Mobigame owns "edge" in France, so we are going to recognize that and keep the game in the app store."

Also, are trademark laws so stupid? How can anyone trademark a common word. I can see an uncommon word or phrase such as Coca-Cola or Pepsi, but "edge"!? Also, if you make a game called "Soul Edge" for instance, that is not necessarily trademark infringement, you are just using a common word as part of the title. Does it mean edge of the soul?

What if I trademarked the word "and". Does that give me the right to sue the pants off anyone who uses "and" in their title? "Game publisher Devil's Back was forced to recently change the title of their latest upcoming game 'Iron and Fire' to 'Iron in cojunction with Fire'.

This is all so rediculous. Either there needs to be a gag on Timmy, or a law that extremely limits the trademarks on common words - in that you can only trademark a common word if it is used for a very specific product. For instance, if your company is named Edge, and you sell tv's, no other company can use the name, but if you are have a company that is called Edge and sell computer monitors - that is allowed and you may trademark the name Edge also just to cover that very specific area. In the case of Tim Langdell, if his video game company is called edge, only the video game company should be protected. If Tim did not trademark the title "Soul Edge", Tim should NOT be able at all to challenge that title. In fact, the a court should turn the tables and fine Tim for wasting judicial resources and time. If say Tim trademarked the word Edge for a video game title, then ok, I could see a dispute with Mobigame. Then again, if that company is not in the US, then all that needs to happen is say a one time royalty to be allowed to use the same name for the game in American markets. I mean why not. Have a bit of courtesy.

The trademarks on common words are just to vague and as a result, you have this leech swinging from this word on his vine, screeching and throwing his poo and anyone who gets near the word.

If memory serves me correct isn't it Mr Langdell who has a restricting order against him in Santa Monica for stalking a beautiful actress (very weird story) and he was thrown out of BAFTA LA because of it I believe? (I read the papers in Santa Monica). Most people in video games will not have anything to do with him. He was an intensley disliked figure in the 80's. I think in the UK you call these people Vexatious Litigants. Something usually tips them over The Edge eventually!

Tim did in fact lose his case against Soul Edge, and was berated by the presiding officer for his endless attempts to stall and cause hassle...quote
"in view of the opponents’ actions in delaying matters at every turn by either claiming they had not received correspondence, applying for hearings at which they did not appear, provide skeleton arguments and generally putting the opponent to a lot of expense and bother" unquote

The presiding officer awarded costs to Namco and utterly rejected Tim's claim.

Of course the point is he kept Namco in court for several years unable to use the word Edge in their game title, and hoping they would settle with him to avoid lost revenue, renaming costs and general delays.

To their eternal credit, they didn't. As a large company with resources behind them, they were able to rename the game and then simply wait for the legal system to grind its gears and let Tim play out his pantomime to its inevitable damming conclusion.

Amazingly. Tim and/or his associates have stated publically they have never lost a case, despite this and other public records existing proving otherwise.

Tim seldom if ever wins a case that goes to court (he's certainly yet to provide any documentation despite repeated request), the reality of the legal system is that for some less well resourced, or companies constrained by important deadlines, its just cheaper and less hassle to settle with him, As people have done.

What is repulsive is the way Tim tries to spin these settlements into justification for his actions and attempts to make it sound like some fair transaction has taken place. A bit like a spider asking the fly to smile for the camera after being snared and cocooned.

What is galling is that he spins lie after lie after lie about his achievements, his output and his settlements, each more unbelievable than the last to convince us that what he's doing is a perfectly amicable way to do business.

It is not.

Tim knows this, he's fully aware that what he does is abhorrent to most people, but he gets enough people to settle to make it worth his while in some way that he maintains his claim to "Edge" without actually having produced a thing in 15years or so.

Tim is a parasite and a bully in ever possible definition of the term, leaching off the talent and hard work of others. He's been doing this for years, and sadly hasn’t realized when is a good time to stop...

Mobigame is just another in a long line of victims to fall prey to Spider Tims well timed ambush tactics, he may however find this meal a little hard to digest with the development community standing behind Mobigame almost unanimously.

The IGDA however, is more dangerously a victim of his scheming and long standing but largely unrequited desire for credibility in this industry. In a recent court case against Cybernets' title Edge of Extinction, he presented his membership of the board of IGDA as a badge of respectability, not something I'm sure the IGDA was set up for.

The IGDA keeps Langdell on its board at its peril but the IGAD impotence is another debate.

Langdell however continues with his trademark shenanigans to his unending but presumably profitable shame.

yes indeed. and thanks to the public records of the LA court system we can see some of the details.

Tim was prosecuted in a civil harassment case and a restraining order was granted against him
in the LA superior court, case number SS014653 feel free to search for it in the civil case summeries

Also telling is his attempts to have the order covered up and expunged afterwards.

There seems to be a comment on gamerbeef from the copyright holder of Teenage Wasteland saying that he has not licensed his show to Tim Langdell or The Edge?

The post apparently from Carlton Kenneth Holder asking that the information be removed?

Search -
gamerbeef teenage wasteland

Word Mark EDGE OF TWILIGHT
Goods and Services IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: Computer game programs
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 77748665
Filing Date June 1, 2009
Current Filing Basis 1B
Original Filing Basis 1B
Owner (APPLICANT) EDGE Games Inc CORPORATION CALIFORNIA 530 South Lake Avenue Ste 171 Pasadena CALIFORNIA 91101
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

I just had a look at some of the trademarks that Langdell has on his Edge website and found a few of them dead, yet he still has them on his site as his Trademarks down the bottom.

The Masters of The Game was all the fuss he made with Acclaim back in the day.

Surely you can't use a dead trademark as it means nothing?

Typed Drawing
Word Mark MASTERS OF THE GAME
Goods and Services (CANCELLED) IC 028. US 022 038. G & S: computer game programs; namely, interactive entertainment software programs designed for use with electronic devices which involve some form of central processing unit, memory storage capability, a visual display device, and a control device enabling the user to interact with the visual information displayed. FIRST USE: 19831000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19831000
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 74258711
Filing Date March 24, 1992
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Published for Opposition November 17, 1992
Registration Number 1883671
Registration Date March 14, 1995
Owner (REGISTRANT) Edge Interactive Media, Inc., The CORPORATION CALIFORNIA SUITE 7 39 EAST WALNUT STREET Pasadena CALIFORNIA 91103
Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator DEAD
Cancellation Date March 23, 2002

Seems kind of strange that the so called games ‘THE EDGE’ are allegedly developing and secretly release don’t seem to have registered trademarks, yet they clearly display the TM on the logos from the website?

For a company that likes to dispute trademarks with the use of ‘EDGE’ in whatever combination that may be this is very odd.

I did a search for Mythora, Mythora 2 and Racers all advertised on the website and nothing comes up for those titles using the Trademark Electronic System (TESS).

Yet 'EDGE' is quick enough to register ‘Edge of Twilight’ a game which they did not even develop or have anything to do with?

I suppose they would not want to spend money on trademarks on game titles they made to use as cover?

I suppose they would not want to spend money on trademarks for games they made up just as a cover now would they?

Edge brand spawned Edge Magazine... Oh really?

Tim Langdell Profile details from IGDA website -

Early founding member of the computer games industry, Tim is on the IGDA Board: he founded EDGE Games in 1979 which brand he made famous and which spawned EDGE Magazine; produced over 180 games (most of which Tim designed, many of which he was developer or co-developer on); author of 5 books on game programming, game testing (2005) and chapter author of the IDGA book on Writing for Games(2006); innovator of game curriculum, Tim founded the first curriculum games course at USC's Film School in the early 1990s and is now on Lead Game Faculty at National University where he heads up their MFA in Videogame Production & Design which he also devised; Tim has been a member of BAFTA and BAFTA/LA (of which he was a member of the Board of Directors) and is also a member of the Writer's Guild of America, where he is currently Vice Chair of their new media caucus. Tim is also a co-founder of AIAS (which he has sat on the board of) as well as being a member of ATAS, AFTRA, and the Producers Guild of America. Tim is passionate about game design, game hardware, and the future of the games industry. He is also an avid blues guitarist. Tim splits his time between his homes in Pasadena, CA and Oxford, England, but the weather tends to lure Tim more to the former than the latter these days.

Perhaps Tim also spends time in Narnia?

Well just as an aside to the facts that people have posted. I think that for me it's very important to create; so important it drives me in everything I do; at home (birds and bees ;-) etc and work. If I create I feel apart of life and I find I'm content. I think it's human nature to build, make and create!

SO what's with Tim, he must be so unhappy inside as all he's seeming to do is destroy! He really needs to be a big man now, hold up his hands and apologise; I hope he's reading all these posts and not reading them in contempt either; open your mind chap!

Tim, take the stand and stop messing with other peoples important and renowned (in this case) creations. It is the ONLY way you can ever regain your respect in this industry. Bear in mind it's not just developers who read this, it's also B2C retailers like my company and we all talk and at this point in time ICE Games Ltd and partners will/would have absolutely nothing to do with Edge games, unless a change of heart and nature is noted. Please post on this board Tim!!!!

Michael Halton MD ICE Games

Another example is taken from the Namco case, where as Dr Tim Langdell has provided evidence in the form of invoices for a game he claims was published by ‘The Edge’ in 1988 called ‘Souledge’ now if you can find this game other then Namco’s game you would get a medal!
Funny because the only releases of that period were Garfield, Alien Syndrome & Solider of Light!

From the Namco dispute public record -

Opponents evidence
4. This consists of four statutory declarations by Dr Tim Langdell, who is President and
Chief Executive Officer of the Edge Interactive Media Inc and Managing Director of the Edge
Interactive Media Ltd. He provides some background information as to the basis of this
dispute and the contacts which he sought to make with the applicants. In that connection he
comments on the fact that the applicants are now using in America the trade mark
SOULBLADE for a game they originally launched under the trade mark SOULEDGE. He
exhibits copies of registration certificates in respect of trade mark Nos. 1562099 and 1512713
in respect of the trade mark EDGE in Classes 9 and 16, details of which are at Annex A. He
also states that revenues associated with the sale in the United Kingdom of goods bearing
trade marks EDGE or THE EDGE, or other related ‘Edge’ trade marks since 1983 (either
directly by the opponents or by their predecessors in business) Softek (or any licensees) are
estimated to be £25 million. Dr Langdell also provides examples of the way in which the
trade marks have been used. He also claims to have used the specific trade mark
“SOULEDGE” in the United Kingdom and in that connection provides details of sales of a
game called Souledge which was launched in 1988 and which, he says, remains in the
companies active catalogue of products for sale. The evidence of use of that game is dated
Spring 1988, December 1990 and there are some invoices, dated January 7 1992 and August
28 1991.

A company jointly run by Tim Langdell is also trade marking titles with the word ‘EDGE’ in the title.

This owner’s address from the trademark registry is the same as to Langdell Brown Associates.

Word Mark KILLER EDGE RACING
Goods and Services IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: Computer game software
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 77775292
Filing Date July 7, 2009
Current Filing Basis 1B
Original Filing Basis 1B
Owner (APPLICANT) Edge Racing JOINT VENTURE CALIFORNIA Ste 1700 269 S. Beverly Drive Beverly Hills CALIFORNIA 90212
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

Has he threatened the developer who created Killer Edge racing also a game for iPhone and available the iTunes store?

Hi Tim, if you're still trolling here and not have otherwise silently ninja'd away as you always do, a little word of advice: if you're gonna defend your title, use your own name. Hiding behind a poorly conceived name typing in your own words is only a pathetic (if somewhat hilarious) act. Seriously I've been following this whole scandel solely to read your comments and to laugh at the sheer douchery that you are trying to pass off. Another thing, from what I've seen, either you've suffered severe mental trauma at loosing your wife, or you were delusional from the beginning. Either way, if you really do want to defend your "company" of one, start answering questions with hard facts, not claiming that you're opponent is a "childish liar". In your own words Tim, "(it) does not make it a fact no matter how many times you say it." Cheers buddy.